Reconnecting With Nature:
The Missing Link to a Healthier, Happier Life.
Jesseca Banchy & Samia Bano

What can #nature teach us about #gratitude, #humility, #compassion and #SpiritualGrowth?

Listen now to this episode with Jesseca Banchy, Founder of Magnetic Soul Healing and Compost Cultura, to learn why #ReconnectingWithNature is very likely the #missinglink to a healthier, happier you, and how you can strengthen your #ConnectionWithNature.

Jesseca believes that life itself is simple, but we often make it complicated through our psychology, expectations, materialism and constant striving. In this conversation, we explore what nature can teach us about living with more gratitude, joy, humility and acceptance.

From #composting and caring for the earth to #lettinggo of judgement and reconnecting with the #presentmoment, this episode offers a refreshing perspective on #whatreallymatters.

Learn more and connect with Jesseca now at:

https://magneticsoulhealing.org/

https://www.compostcultura.org/

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Hello, Salaam, Shalom, Namaste, Sat Sri Akal, Aloha, Holah, Ciao, Bonjour, Buna, Privet, Mabuhay, and Dzień Dobry. I'm so glad to be back on this podcast, on this show, and I know you'll be so happy you're joining us again because we have one of our very cool guests who's returning today for the second time, and that is Jesseca Banchy, who's the founder of Magnetic Soul Healing and Compost Cultura. Yeah, I hope I said that right.

Yeah, it's perfect.

Thank you. Like, I'm not a Spanish speaker, I never learned Spanish, so I can struggle a little bit with the…

No, that's perfect.

That's totally… Yeah, cultura just means culture in Spanish. So Campost Cultura. Yay!

Thank you so much, Jesseca. Thank you so much for coming back. I had so much fun during our last interview, and I'm so glad that you're back today for us to continue to talk.

Yeah, thank you so much for inviting me back. I really appreciate it.

Yeah. You know, the thing that I really wanted to, like, last time we talked about more of the Magnetic Soul Healing aspect of things, and I think it was more like one of the threads that we had started to talk about last time, but we didn't really get an opportunity to dig deep into is the, is the whole like connecting with nature bit and, and basically like understanding how that connects to our path to spiritual progress. So I would love to dig deeper into that with you today.

Yeah, well, our physical existence is only there because of a couple things. Number one, God, and two, because of this planet.

Yeah.

And in this modern time, we've been taught in all countries, all cultures, not all, but many places throughout the world that we're separate from nature, that we're separate from our mind, body, and soul, that we don't have a connection. And our life, our physical life force, one of the biggest things is because of this land that we're on, this entire earth. And our entire human existence, the human species and all other species of plants and animals, exists only because of Mother Earth.

Yeah.

And, you know, we've always had issues as human beings. That's just what we are. We're problem starters, you know, but we're also problem solvers. But, you know, our desire for being comfortable, nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with having materialistic stuff. It's fun to create and to have different materialistic things. Though the world of materialism has definitely overtaken a lot of our focus. And it's, it takes more of our interest than nature. And that doesn't go for every single person. That's not an absolute statement. I just really dream of having more people in the world being interested in not only soil, but the well-being of plants and animals and trees and just soil and just this entire earth as it is.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, I was thinking about how lucky I feel for having lived the life that I have lived because actually I've moved around a bit and the first 8 or so years of my life I was in a small town in India. And it was literally like, here's my house. I step outside and there are these, the fields. I mean, they were, I mean, our gardens, but really like we were growing such a variety of food. Like, you know, the garden, there was a tiny bit of the gardens that was, like, ornamental… kind of, you know, grassy area, for like when we wanted to use it for recreational purposes, but the vast majority of the space was being used to grow food. And we had animals, like, running around. Like we didn't need to go to a zoo to see goats and chickens and pigs and cows and things like, you know… I mean, for us, like, those were such, like, just common home animals, you know, like just a part of our everyday life. Not to mention all the birds and the bees and the bugs, even the snakes, right? I mean, they were just there. And it was actually living in India in that small town that I first learned to really be conscious of nature, but also the importance of conservation. I think we were like… I mean, maybe it was because, you know, we were like a middle-class family, and, you know, there's a blessing sometimes in not having a lot of wealth because you had to be careful about, like, for example, water. Like, you had to be really careful and conscious about how much water there was that you had access to and how you were using it so you could maintain access to it. But there was like all these other things as well… like wasting any resource… and like pretty much because, you know, that was like such a big no-no. For us, you know, you, you reuse everything, you repaired things. Like, I mean, it was just such a natural part of how not just my family lived, but, you know, the whole society was oriented that way. And then we happened to move to Dubai, and that was actually my first time living in a modern high-tech kind of an environment. And that was like the first time where, I mean, on the one hand it was like amazing. Obviously, you're so fascinated by elevator buttons and escalators and all that kind of stuff. And the fact that you have running water in the taps 24/7 and you never have to worry about the electricity and everything seems to be like in so much abundance. But you start to definitely lose connection with like, for example, our food was no longer coming from our front yard or our backyard or our side yard. But, you know, now you're depending on a grocery store and, you know, like those kinds of things. So like for me, that was the beginning of starting to lose some of my connection with nature, but also, becoming part of a culture and society that was not as caring and conscious about conservation. And I continue to see that same thing here in America, where we're so disconnected from our food. We're so disconnected from nature in so many ways. It's like, in many ways, it feels like a luxury to have real living green plants in your home, for example. It's just sad.

Yeah, it's a freaky time in modern life. It's not all hopeless. It's… But, you know, it… Though I feel like the way I sometimes can present it, it could kind of sound like it, because there's absolutely no way that we can survive as a human species for very much longer because of our consumption of materialistic stuff.

Yeah. For billions of people, it's like… And that's so beautiful that you were able to have that experience, growing with land and walking outside and having your food out there. And that's a way more soulful way of living as a human being. You know, we should all be able to go outside and eat. Yeah. Just eat from the land. Yeah.

But this is just the way it is now. And, I mean, it's… We have so much comfort and luxury, and we all are wealthy. You know, it's our definition of what wealth is, and it's within most societies, it's a dollar amount, but I mean, what you just described, your childhood, that is like, Lord, that is humongous wealth that not even people with millions of dollars get to experience. Yeah.

It's just beautiful. And, who knows? You know, it's, I don't, this is just my little desire to just encourage more people to compost and to, to really have a shift perspective instead of seeing things like insects or seeing food waste as gross. It's not. It can all be turned into soil. Like, most of our food waste can be turned into soil. And that's just a huge thing that I promote within Compost Cultura is composting.

Yeah. I mean, even the fact that we call it waste, you know, is like something that we choose to do. I mean, like you know, I did not think about this until someone raised my awareness about this. But like around here in LA, we see one of the big companies that does waste management. It's called Waste... I can't remember their exact name, but you know they do a lot of self-promotion as this… promoting the idea of waste management. And on the one hand, it sounds very nice. And obviously, for people living in the city, in a big city like Los Angeles, like, you have to have a way to manage your waste. But at the same time, just the thinking where we label stuff as waste, you know, like for example, food that we are discarding, if we can turn it into compost, that's not waste, you know?

It's gold. It's like, exactly. It's gold. Life-giving gold. And similarly with like so many other things that we label as waste, Actually, you know, they can be reused, they could be recycled, they can be, you know, just given a new life. Doesn't have to be waste at all.

Yeah. Yeah, the certain parts of Compost Cultura, at certain parts, there's a 3-part tier thing just about it. Number 1 is to compost, 2 is to reduce waste, and that comes with appropriate recycling, reusing, and repurposing. So, and recycling doesn't always have to mean putting stuff in the recycling bin. You can give, you know, donate things to people on the street or donate things to other places like Goodwill or Savers or other thrift stores. Giving food to homeless people. And, making art.

Yeah. You know, it's like, I don't always… I have, I'm trying to get, an art studio right now because my art is just piling up. Because one of the things that I do with my art is I create art with trash, and it's just piling up in my house. But, you know, I… If you can see, I have like art everywhere in my house.

Yes.

I just have so many unfinished art projects. And, you know, I have found so many things, outside of people's houses that people, you know, because people leave stuff outside their house, or I have these magical dumpsters outside my house, people leave brand new things next to them. They're known for being magical. They're known for people leaving good brand new stuff that's still intact. And I've gotten not just from there, but in so many places around town, I've gotten canvases, paint, so many different art supplies and tons of stuff. I actually found a… I'm looking at it right now. It's like a 6-foot by 6-foot canvas, which would probably be like a grand. It was just on the side of the road, and someone put it there because there was a small tear in it, and I fixed the tear, and I painted over the painting, and I'm still working on it. But there's so much stuff that we already have in the world that we want. So I encourage so much of secondhand shopping, looking on Facebook Marketplace or Craigslist or just looking around, literally just getting so many things. Like, I am so fortunate and blessed to, to be gifted by God with so many art supplies. I have so much paint and it was all gifted to me. Like finding it literally is still unopened and with the label still on. And so many people can see that as disgusting or it's whatever. But it's like we have to change our perspective on a lot of things in life. We don't have to do anything actually. We can do whatever the hell we want. But I think for our… The benefit of the Earth and for humans getting along is to change our perspective. And a third aspect of Campos Cultura is being grateful for trash because everything we throw away, it served us in some kind of way. And there was a lot of creative power that came behind it…

Yeah...
…in creating something… so we're gonna throw things away… and I think it's great to be grateful for it and have that connection and that good feeling and wishing it farewell on its journey of wherever it's going. But over the past 5, 5 or 6 years of my life I haven't thrown away food, and I've reduced the amount of trash that I personally throw away in my home a month to like a small trash bag size. And it's because I follow that 3-step system.

Yeah, yeah. And how… What's that doing for… What's that doing for your soul? What's that doing for your mental health? What's that doing for the health of your spirit?

It definitely helps. I'm still nuts, but I'm an artist, so it's like it comes with the territory, I guess. It definitely helps. And my life and my mind and my body and so many aspects of myself, my perspective on life Has changed tremendously since I started composting, and I started composting six years ago. It just has opened my eyes to many different things in life, many different perspectives that have lightened my mind and my heart, and you know it. It's difficult being human. There's a lot of beautiful things that we get to experience as humans, but there's a lot of social aspects that I still feel a lot of irritation about. You know, it's like we fight too much as humans. We, just, we put our opinions too much. We take things personal. We're sensitive. There's so many things that come along with the beauties and the difficulties of being a human. But I am a completely different person. I wouldn't… If I saw myself 6 years ago, me now, I would be blown away. I would never imagine how far, how much I've progressed in life emotionally and spiritually and just as an individual. And you know, I've had a lot of improvements and a lot of changes, but I've broken a lot of… What is it called, curses?

Curses within my family and myself as a human being. And, that's just an emotional aspect of it, but it's definitely benefited with me. I pay more attention to nature. I pay more attention to birds and to… I see things, I see things deeper, I see more things. I can see ants easily. I can see on like a black road. We have black roads because of the way they make roads here. That's just the way roads are made. And they literally just… They tore up so many roads in my neighborhood recently. And, they repaved them. It's completely black. And there was, there was actually this crack in the ground that was down the street from my house that I would visit almost every day for, for like 2 and a half years. And I would visit it because there was black ants that would come out of it.

Oh. It was the home of ants, and they completely paved over it. And that was, that was a tragedy to me. So it happens, you know, and it's just like, what if we were to do that to thousands of homes of humans?

Yeah.

You know, and we did that to like one animal that I know of, but I'm sure so many animals and other insects were killed because of the reconstruction. You know, it's on a smaller level physically than us. But it's like, if we were to do what we do to nature and to animals to other human beings, I think there'd be a lot of changes. Because a lot of times, you know, of course we have social frustrations and social issues, but many times, especially in the US, it's… there is not the level of destruction that we do to animals and to nature, to other humans. It happens. It's not an absolute thing. It still happens. Terrible, you know, terrible things happen to humans. Not saying that at all, but to the level that we do it to nature and to animals, there's no comparison.

It's true. It's like, I mean, first of all, we do it to other humans as well. And when we do it to other humans, it can be… We call it names like genocide. So it's horrific. We feel the horrificness of it. And we recognize… Most of us recognize the horrificness of it when we do it to other humans. I was like, literally just earlier today hanging out with my little nephews and my cousin sister, and we were at the history museum, the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles. And they have this whole section in the museum where they're sort of going there... You do a walk through the history of how LA has developed over time, and you know, I mean, we were like lush green mountains and forests and all kinds of like living creatures. And you look at LA now and it's been like so much of it's like flattened out. You know, you're, you're lucky, like I said, it's feels like a luxury to have real green life around you. Because so many parts of the city don't even have trees on the street, or they'll have very few trees, or they'll have those palm trees that are not native to the area. They don't provide shade. They don't really provide any meaningful… I mean, they're basically there to be ornamental because some rich person liked how they look, literally, and went on a campaign to plant palm trees all around Southern California, even when they're not native to the area, you know. And so… but oftentimes those are the only trees you will see, you know, on the streets and stuff. And it's just, again, like, I mean, the animals that have just completely disappeared from here. I mean, and of course we had to, we did genocide the indigenous peoples who were living here…

Yeah…
…in our quest to, you know, create this civilized society. It's like worse.

It's just in some ways, you know, it's like, okay, we are where we are now and we try to… like, I'm trying to appreciate it and find the best in it and find some good in it, create some more good, you know, where I am. So in that context, you know, yes to composting. Yes to planting. Like whatever we can plant, whether it's a tree here or there, or even if it's, you know, like in my house we have mostly like potted, potted plants because we don't, we don't have a lot of dirt, access to dirt, but whatever paved area we have around our house, we have like place lots of potted plants over there. So yes to all of that, but it's like… so I find it's like, if we don't recognize the harm that we have done, if we don't even therefore then try to do something to, to repair and create, even going beyond repair... I mean, we can't even go beyond repair if you don't even realize, just if you don't even realize and accept that we have done harm, that we are in a situation that's causing harm, and not just to the environment, not just to the animals, but also to the people, you know… if we don't even realize it, then we can't even begin to address it. We can't begin to repair it. If we can't even begin to repair it, we can't even think about going beyond repair to conditions of thriving.

Yeah, but it's, you know, humans are really difficult and life is very simple and it's so hard because of how simple it is. And we have a hard time being pleased and happy. And that goes for myself as well. But I am a kind person, you know. I don't always… I do my best, and many times there's still times where I mess up. And I think the biggest, the only solution… Not the only solution, but one of the biggest solutions is if we all had an individual self-transformation with nature and God. But most likely that's not going to happen, and that's okay. But we're gonna get, we're just gonna evolve with time as it does. You know, dinosaurs, they existed for however long they did, and they became extinct because of volcanic eruptions and, and other things that happened in that time. I wasn't there, obviously, but, you know, the human species is just gonna go extinct, and that's okay. That's… I'm totally cool with that. You know, it's like we have too many issues when we don't need to have issues. And you're absolutely right, you know, it's just like, how can we repair things when harm hasn't been recognized? And that's where the individual self-transformation with God and nature is so vital, so that we can come together as human beings and work together and have a focus on nature. But, you know, it's so complicated. We individually, we all have billions of cells within us that are in favor for us and that are in connection with nature. So we don't even know it, but we do have that connection. Psychologically, we're unaware of it. But if you wanted to compare with, say, like a mathematical equation with good and bad going on, there is more good than bad going on. Because every plant, every animal, every tree, every human being, every single material in this world has things working for it in its favor. So there's, on a microscopic level, there's things, more things working in our favor, but we're psychologically just not aware of it as human beings.

Ah. And it's, you know, I know this, but I, it's not something that I always remember, that I always turn to. Yeah. Yeah.

Because I still have my psychological dramas.

Yeah. And my own little issues and then issues with, you know, with the world and, you know, things like that. But, yeah, the biggest thing is, is the health of our soil. Yeah. Because that's where we get our food from. That is a huge contributor to the quality of our air.

Yes.

And when we have cleaner, pure oxygen that we breathe in, we have clear mental health. We have a clearer mind.

Yeah.

And it's crazy being human. I don't know, I, you know, it's like this… The way I'm saying this, it's not hopeless, but we're gonna go extinct pretty soon. So it's like, what are we worried about? Why are we fighting? We only have a couple generations left on this Earth, literally. How can the Earth sustain human life of billions of people with all of the extraction that we're doing from the Earth? But I kind of think of the Earth, that there's aspects of it that are kind of like acne or like a pimple. You know, sometimes it just gets… It comes out and like sometimes it has to pop. And maybe we're just taking things from the Earth to extract it, and maybe the dinosaurs weren't able to do that, and that's why we had volcanic eruptions. And maybe because of our extraction of things from nature that we're extracting that, that acne, but it's also a little too much. So we're scarring ourselves, we're scarring the Earth, and we're causing damage for new growth.

Yeah. You know, okay, so I have 2 questions coming to me from what you were just sharing. So one, you said something along the lines of, did you say life is simple? Or what is simple? But it's like we are, we make it, we still make it difficult or something.

We make it comp…Llife is very simple. Life is very simple. But we make it complicated. Oh, we make it complicated. Tell me more about that. So what, what is the simplicity that you're referring to and how do we…

So life is very simple. Human beings, we were born happy. We were born free. We were born without sin. We were born joyful and unattached. But because of societal conditioning and needing to be in a societal structure to survive, we're taken away from who we truly are. And we complicate life. Life is supposed to be beautiful. We are supposed to be healthy. We are supposed to have fun. We are supposed to get along, but we complicate it.

Yeah.

We shouldn't need all of this shit that we have, all of this materialistic crap. Like, it's nice to have money. I love money. I love making money and I love buying stuff. But I've definitely changed my purchasing choices over the years because of my changes of lifestyle to be more eco-friendly, per se, whatever. But we complicate life, and which is why so many humans, including myself, we have such a hard time living.

Yeah.

And it doesn't have to be that hard. We don't have a hard time existing as babies or as a child. Most, most everyone, not everyone, but most people, most humans…

Yeah.

I mean, when we are a baby, it's like, though, we're pretty much dependent, right?

We're unconditional.

We, yes. But also, we are not in control. Like, as a baby, we are not in control.

And we're still not in control. We have no control over life as adults.

We have an illusion of control, though, right? Yeah.

So where we have control is, you know, we have, we can plan our day. We can imagine all these things… but when it's… we can… anything can happen.

Yeah.

And that, you know, that's why I'm so grateful and honored to have worked in medicine for 10 years now. I still work in hospitals. That's my, that's… I work 30 to 60 hours a week or whatever. Like, I don't know, what do I do? I have a personal assistant now, Judy, who has changed my life so much and improved so many things. So I have a lot more free time and I get to focus on the arts more. Like, I am an artist and I'm a musician and an athlete too, so I get to do more of that play stuff. And it's not just play, it's just all part of my creative side or whatever, but having worked in the medical field and seeing a variety of illnesses and injuries, has really taught me more about compassion and also being unconditional and how short life is. Right.

Like, I personally have experienced a lot of injuries in my own life. I've experienced being disabled a couple times in my life, and thankfully I've recovered from them all. And I honestly don't know if that's gonna be for the rest of my life. I don't know if I'll be able to walk the rest of my life. I, you know, I don't know what it's going to be when I walk out of my house. We just don't know. We can make all these things, but whatever is in our energy and just… I don't know. I just think that God is the one who decides it all.

Yeah.

And mostly, most people in this world have experienced goodness, and that's easier said than done. You know, I experience a lot of loneliness, and I have a, you know, I experience a lot of resentment. Those are my things that I'm working on to release, and I've released a lot of it, but there's still things, bondages that I hold myself within. But remembering that of the present moment and remembering how my physical… how short my physical life is, how I do not own my body… I don't own anything, anything materialistic, including my body. I do not own… literally… I have a friend who I dance with. I haven't seen her in a couple months because I left the dance studio. Anyways, she's gorgeous. She's tall, tan and blonde. She has no arms. And I remember the first time I met her, I was in a… I was feeling really down for some reason, and she walked in the dance studio. She doesn't have any arms, and I'm just like, Jesus, how freaking ungrateful am I? It's like, I have my limbs, I have my health, I can fully care for myself physically. And, you know, it's like we forget easily how good things are. And I don't want to sweep things under the rug. We, you know, we have emotional wounds. They're just like the physical wounds that we experience, which needs time and care for it. But we can't be hard on every single thing. It's like to heal and to mend things, it's not being hard. It's not being… you know, because there's so many things that say fuck cancer, screw cancer, or like all of these things that are against the body or against an illness or an injury. It's like we just have a mistaken way of approaching life and injuries and problems.

Yeah.

Many of us do. And it's, it's just the evolution of the human species. I can't explain. I only have my little perspective from my little life experiences. But that is why the third component of Compost Cultura is to approach trash, even though it's overwhelming and it's scary… the pollution and the amount that we're putting into oceans that we're burying in the ground, the amount of trash that there is, how people handle trash. That is why having that gratitude approach is essential, because we can't heal things without owning up to it. And there's a Ho'oponopono prayer that goes, I'm sorry, please forgive me, thank you, I love you.

And there was a… He was a Chinese or a Japanese psychiatrist that worked in a mental institute or institution, and he didn't see many of these patients, but what he did for a big portion of it was saying that prayer over and over again, which is actually a Hawaiian prayer.

Yeah.

And many of the people in the psychiatric facility had experienced healings, and were released, and had more mental stability. And that is just another approach that we can do as human beings. But humans, we're complicated. We're not always kind and nice. We could be a little rough around the edges.

Oh my. Just like me. I'm a little rough around the edges, but it's just… I'm just grateful that, I've had the life experiences that I've had and, that my perspectives, many of my perspectives on life have changed.

Yeah, I think one of the things I appreciate the most about connecting with nature, staying connected with nature is it teaches us to be humble. You know, like when you really… when we're disconnected, and you know we are living in our illusion delusion of self-sufficiency, where we think, oh yeah, oh yeah, I just, you know, there's no problem, there's no issues in terms of… I want food, here's a supermarket for me to go to. I turn on the tap and magically water comes. I flip on the switch, electricity is there. So I, you know, I go online, click a few buttons, I can get delivery of anything I want. So it creates in us this… I don't know what the right word is. It's an illusion or a delusion, but we begin to think, oh yeah, you know, I'm all set. I'm good. I'm self-sufficient. I'm independent and all that. But as a matter of fact, you know, like when, for example, especially in the early days of COVID we discovered very, very quickly how fragile all these systems are that we have set up to provide us with all of these things that we depend on for living our lives. And when you really begin to look into, okay, well, what where does the food really come from? How do we make sure it's actually growing and getting to us and water and energy and all of that? And then you begin to realize, oh, wow… I mean, there's just so much that is challenging and humbling and, you know, like just nature… I mean little, chinty, tiny virus… can't even see with our naked eyes. Like we couldn't, we wouldn't even know it, it exists except it, you know… Now it's spreading and literally, you know, killing millions of humans and so on so forth. And it's like if… Like, once we actually realize the reality of how we are existing, where we are existing, it's very humbling. And I think that humbleness is such a key, key, key, key component to our being able to live with more compassion, more empathy, more love.

Gratitude. Gratitude, right?

Yeah, and I mean, so, and that is what makes life worth living. It's like, if you're living a life without love, without empathy, without compassion, I mean, what kind of a life is that? Life is supposed to be fun. That's another aspect in all of those things that you said. Yes. I agree. We're supposed to have fun. And that's, you know, it's like us approaching life with a childlike mind, which many of us don't. I don't. There's times where I do, and there's people that I'm able to do that with easier. But another aspect of nature is that it doesn't care. A tree doesn't care who walks under it and it falls on them. A lion does not care who you are, they'll still… they're not… every lion will do this, not every shark will do this. But if you get chosen by whatever force is saying that you're going to get your bit… your leg bit off, and that's what's going to happen… they don't care who you are. Nature doesn't care. Yeah.

But it's like, it's, it's all within the… So it's kind of like, it's kind of natural for humans to not care about nature because nature doesn't care about us. I mean, it does, but it doesn't care what we do to it.

Well, it doesn't care about us in terms of like, it doesn't recognize the labels that we give ourselves to create status and this and that, you know.

It's unattached and it's unconditional. Yeah, it's like caring for us all the time. I mean, we couldn't exist outside of the context of the nature that you know, I mean, literally the air we breathe. I mean, we wouldn't… Our bodies wouldn't exist without the food and the water that we drink. It wouldn't exist without the sun shining.

Yeah…

We have a symbiotic relationship with the earth. And we have a big imbalance with that symbiosis. And it's like the world is the way it is with humans, but there is peace on earth. It's just we complicate it with our psychology. Yeah. And our whatever we do.

Yeah. That's why we need more female, women rulers. There's too many men in power. We need to unite as a world and accept different cultural practices, accept different bodies, different skin colors, different whatever it may be. We need to accept our differences and appreciate our differences and celebrate each other.

But also have the wisdom, right, to be able to discern who is giving, who is leading us towards a better path in terms of the leadership. Because, you know, it's like I've lived in America, it's the 4th country I've lived in, and it's like I've lived with brown people, black people, you know, I mean, white people, like all skin colors and different cultures. I've lived in a small town, I've lived in a big city now, and places in between, between that as well. And whether, you know, you're in a, like, living in a small town in India, or whether you're living in a big city like Los Angeles and in the United States of America, I mean, you know, like, even, even in India where I was saying, you know, I felt surrounded by this culture that was so conscious of conservation and, you know, connected to our food and this and that. But at the same time, the reality is that, like, if you go back to my small town in India, most of those fields and gardens are gone. Even the ones around our home have shrunk because there was like, there's so much building that has taken place because we have had an explosion in population. I mean, India is what, the most populous?

Yeah.

Or the second most populous country in the world. And we have like, we have like 4 times the population of the United States, if not more. And less than a quarter of the landmass. So with that population explosion, you know, there's such stress being placed on every kind of resource, you know, including the land. And just, there's a sheer lack of, of now open space that you can find in that small town… and the way people are building, it's like in so many, I mean, regardless of our history, regardless of the good values that we are taught in our culture and our faith traditions, you know, things are being built in a way that is causing a lot of pollution, that's causing a lot of destruction of nature, where, you know, the family that I still have living over there, they're like, the quality of life is not… It's just so different now. And it's gone way, way, way down. It's gone way, way, way down. A lot of my family has actually moved out of that town because its just become really difficult to live there because there's just so much trash, so much pollution now, such a lack of just open space and so forth.

Yeah. You know, it's like no matter where you are, there are people, and we don't always listen to the best of us. I mean, whether it's trying to follow the best, most wise leaders, but, or even our own inner wisdom, you know, we, like, ignore it.

So that's, you know, that's just part of our experience right now. And it's, you know, I see it as like God still loves every single person and thing on this Earth, no matter what, unconditionally. And, that's why I think it's so important to have a self-transformation with God and nature, and also individually for more people to do their own part.

Yeah. And it doesn't mean you have to do it alone, but through your… In your own home, in your own business, where we start doing things differently. And composting and doing different habits with your trash and seeing trash as something that's important can be seen as weird, but I don't care. I don't care. And it's about people's views on how disgusting trash is, because it's gross, but it's like, it doesn't have to be gross. And it's gross because we throw so much food away. It's so important that we all individually do our part, and that means composting our food instead of throwing it away. And if it's not compostable, finish eating it if you're able to, if it's still, you know, within good condition in terms of it not being rotten. And also feeding the homeless, being kind to ourselves and kind to other people. And not be so worried about the trash. You know, this is like a hard concept. I used to have a problem and feelings about it. It's overwhelming the amount of trash that we have in this world. It's overwhelming how people don't care about trash, how people don't recycle, how people don't compost. But the thing is, it doesn't matter. And me being angry and judgmental is not the solution to get more people to start seeing their trash as important and wanting to handle it differently. It's very important that we all individually in our homes and businesses or wherever we work, more corporations taking responsibility for how we handle trash, but it's there, there have… I don't know how things are going to change, but there will be natural changes that will be, excuse me, unsurvivable to humans. Yeah.

So it's like, it's inevitable. Yeah. California is gonna sink. Florida is gonna, you know, East Coast and West Coast are gonna kind of have water, maybe.

Probably. And I'm in… I live in Arizona surrounded by mountains, but the summers are getting hotter and hotter.

Yeah.

And, we're having clear signs from nature saying to make changes. But, you know, we're stubborn as humans, and we don't wait till like the last minute of crap. And it's okay, but we need to have more fun, and we need to be unattached and care less. And that may sound counterintuitive, but the more hardness and judgment and anger that we put towards these problems, it just adds the fuel to the fire of the problem.

Yes, yes, I hear you. You know, okay, you just reminded me of 2 things. One, you know, there's these huge wildfires that are happening. I hope… I don't know if they're under control already, but as of a few days ago, like massive wildfires in Europe, Spain, France, and then I think it even erupted in Greece. And they've never seen anything on that scale over there. They're saying it's like, what's that word? Oh my God, I can't pronounce it. Apocalyptic.

Yes. I mean, they're like, you know, the news story I was listening to on NPR, they were asking, well, what, like, the city that the reporter was in, they were like, yeah, you know, they had done a lot of preparation. They're like generally a really good city in terms of… they have, you know, really good standards for fire safety and they had like all of these resources in place to deal with fires and stuff like that. But what we are facing now is so beyond what anyone even imagined might occur that there is no way that, you know, they could have been prepared for this. And so now they're just doing the best they can, you know, with what they have and so forth. But one of the good things, if you can think of it like that, is that it's really waking people up over there in terms of people are like, you know what, we have to double down on our commitments to the various climate change goals that they set and so forth, because they were like, oh, people had actually… countries like Spain, I think they were focusing on Spain at the time, had set some of the most ambitious goals related to the climate change response. But people had started to sort of, you know, get lazy about it and sort of the start… people had started to like backslide on those commitments and stuff.

Fine. That's good. That's what I told you. Life is very simple, but we complicate it. Who cares? We're all gonna die. We're all of us individually are gonna die. And the human species doesn't have very much longer on this earth. We're focused on the wrong things. And that's okay. Well, it just is what it is. What it is, what it is…. It's… I guess it sucks, but we're supposed to experience life with more happiness and joy, you know? It's like, I have such a beautiful life, but I am miserable still many times, and it's because of how miserable people on this earth and how terrible humans can be and how many people on this earth suffer. But there's so many more people on this earth that have a good, good, good life, and we don't recognize it because we're complicated. And that's just the nature of being human. It's complicated.

But the good news in this news story, like I was saying, if you can think of it as such, is that the… facing these… I cannot say the word… apocalyptic fires…

…yes fires, seems to be like putting a little motivation or a lot of motivation in people to you know, just start taking all these things more serious.

Well, how many people died?

That… I cannot remember the stats around that. They did talk about it, but I can't remember. I don't think the loss of human life has, like, relatively speaking, it's not been too horrible, because, you know, people have been able to, by and large, evacuate and so forth.

But people just lost materialistic crap. And we don't even… It's like, if only we could see plant life and nature and animal life as that, because we do more destruction to that than happens to it. And it's like, who cares? Yeah, no, it's like the landscapes are burning.

That sucks, I guess. But it's like so many people focus on the negative aspects. And you're talking about good aspects. Awesome. But how many people, not very many people died. We just lost a materialistic thing, which is all part of nature. Everything decays and gets destroyed. That's materialistic. Yeah, even nature.

Thankfully, the nature part of things will regenerate, especially if we let it, we just let it.

You know, it's what's happening right here in LA. You know, like last year we had the worst wildfires in LA history. I mean, here, wildfires are a common part of our ecosystem. But even so, like the fires we had last year were just way beyond, way worse than anything we have experienced before. But, you know, again, it's like the, so far as we have been allowing nature to do its thing, it's recovering. The landscapes are recovering, the ecology is recovering… everything gets restored.

I mean, people are, at least some people are, you know, rebuilding in a wiser way. We have been learning about, like, ways to detoxify the soil using… actually just letting plants grow. So there are plants that you just, you know, like, rather like the, the not very wise human way is that you… they bring in like these huge tractors and stuff and literally dig up inches and inches of the soil. Because it's all full of toxins from the fires that… and the… you know, it's like when the homes burn, when human constructed buildings burn, there's so much that's toxic in them. So obviously then that… those toxins go into the soil. So then you cannot just rebuild on that soil. So they literally come and take truckloads of this dug-out soil from these affected areas and take it away. But, you know, that's expensive, it's slow, and there's lots of other problems and challenges that come with that approach. So we have actually been learning about a much… it's like way better, way cheaper, way more, like, doesn't cause any toxic impacts and stuff. And that is you have to have the right kind of plants, but you plant the right kind of plants in that toxic soil. And they, just by growing as they grow, they remove the toxins.

Yeah.

They literally suck the toxins out of the soil and turn it into green living life that, you know, I mean… Yeah. And now not only do you have plants growing there, but the soil is clean. So now when you want to rebuild something, it's ready to go and it's healthy and safe for humans and other animals and stuff, you know. And so I was like, wow, that's so amazing. Nature is so amazing.

It really is. You know, it's… There's so much. There's a universe in the ground, in every single plant. There's a universe within all of us, each individually. We all have a universe within ourselves with our tissue and our cells, and it's beautiful. It's all in favor of life, all in favor of our life and surrounding life around us. Yeah, we're just, you know, we're really complicated as humans.

And, I don't know, our emotions that complicate things.

Our psychology. Yes, it's our psychology. Our emotions are great, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's like the psychology, the emotions related to that psychology, it's like… and especially like the, what you touched on with the ingratitude part, you know, it's like when you're not grateful. And I think connected to the gratitude is also the humbleness that I was thinking about and speaking to earlier. It's like when you're not grateful, when you're not humble in recognizing the, what nature gives us and allows, even, you know, just in terms of allowing our very existence and enabling it and sustaining it, then, I mean, when we, and we disconnect from nature, then because of that lack of gratitude and humbleness, it's like we really end up acting in ways that hurt our own souls… our own spirit and our own hearts, because we're not meant to live in such a disconnected state, you know.

True. But if you look at nature, nature exclusively in all aspects, on land and sea, is both peaceful and violent at the same time. So it's almost within our nature that that's the way we are. But animals and plants aren't that complicated. We are.

Right, right. I mean, the nature… I mean, when we think about the violence in nature though, it's like, for me, there's a distinction between like the violence that we as humans can commit and what we…

Yeah…

…what we label as violence in nature. Because like, you know, an animal, for example, whenever… I mean… unless there is a reason for, like, it needs to defend itself, it's, or it's hungry, or, you know, something like that, it will not just go around attacking and killing and, you know, causing destruction.

Or if it's like, if it has rabies or if it has something, it would, right? I mean, but humans do things with hate and they do things with a terrible motive.

I mean, we will kill animals even if they're not a danger to us, or we don't need, we're not, we don't need to kill them to eat, for example, we just, we will just kill for pleasure. We will just, you know, like, even if I don't need, I mean, like, it's like, I don't need a house this big, but I will clear the land of the trees and the animals, this, this much land so I can have a bigger house because I want a bigger house. Like, you know, so we do things and we, we inflict damage for reasons that, like, nature would never do unto itself or to us.

Yeah, but trees will fall no matter what, and they don't care what it falls on or who it falls on. So it's kind of like there is definite imbalance that we have as human beings because of our psychology, but it's… our behavior can be compared to nature and just that it's just almost natural. And it's, it's like, like I said, life is simple, but we complicate it. And life is short. And I think that we should be happier as human beings, kinder and more grateful. But that's me saying that. I experience a lot of joy and gratitude in my life, but there still are many aspects where I experience the exact opposite. And that's okay.

Yeah, that's just room for growth. So I appreciate that. Jesseca, I'm having so much fun talking with you, and I'm sorry to say I was looking at the time and, oh gosh, it's time for us to start wrapping up.

It's okay.

Do you have any last thoughts? Is there anything that we missed talking about that you want to make sure we bring up for our audience right now?

Just the importance of doing the best that we can. And we can't do every single thing individually, but if we all just started composting, it would make a tremendous impact and give back to nature in tremendous ways. And it gives so much back to our mind and our soul. Composting is so, it's essential for this modern time. And I just encourage more people and businesses to start composting regardless of the social ways of it being seen as weird, because it's not.

Yeah. And that was a second, I lost my thread or thought about earlier, but what I love about what you're saying, Jesseca, and the wisdom in it is You know, like a lot of times when I'm talking to my friends and people in the community of like activists, like people who are, you know, earth conscious and trying to, you know, promote conservation and sustainability, things like that. So the wisdom in what you are sharing about, you know, doing something at a personal level with composting and stuff to create positive change is that, yes, the problems that we are dealing with are way bigger than, you know, just what we create at a personal level. Like, there's system-level issues that have to be addressed.

You know, like the trash, for example, that we produce.

And we can solve it worldwide if we stopped buying. Yes, we stopped buying stuff. But how? We gotta eat. Yeah, we have more power as a species than these corporations, and we would have to just stop buying and stop going to work. But that would cause a huge social, you know… exactly… and not everyone wants to do that… require changes in big systems that all of our lives depend on right now. And so that's why it can begin to feel like, oh, what's the point of me doing this effort to recycle or compost? Because that's not going to change the bigger system that needs to change. But what I have found is that if we get stuck on that in terms of our thinking, then we do nothing and nothing changes at all. But when we say, okay, you know what, I am going to do what I can, at least in my personal life, then not only do these issues stay in our consciousness and we do what we can in our personal lives, but it also… I like, for me, it also motivates my social action. So like, when there are, like, it's, I don't professionally work in the field of, you know, ecological sustainability and things like that, but I support those causes. I support the businesses, the nonprofits that are working full-time on these issues, whether it's by, you know, the donations that I give to certain nonprofits, or buying the products. You know, like when I'm… when I do have to buy a product, you know, and I can choose, you know, like, okay, well, do I buy product A or do I buy product B? And they're both functionally basically fine, but product B has been made in a more eco-friendly way using maybe recycled materials or you know, using non-toxic inks, this or that, you know, whatever… so then I will choose product B just because, you know, it's like part of my ethic, my values, my consciousness. And we have seen over time that kind of individual action over time builds momentum and creates changes even at the level of the bigger systems. We've seen that with recycling, we have seen that with availability of organic produce and so many other issues. So I really, really appreciate the work that you do and the breadth of what you do, because you're, you're not only Magnetic Soul Healing, you know, people in terms of the coaching and all that that you do, but then here's this other part that you do that's so hands-on and helping us connect with this other really critical aspect of how we can live better, healthier, happier lives with Compost Cultura. So, I just love you so much and I so appreciate what you're doing. Thank you so much, Jesseca.

Thank you so much for having me on again. I appreciate it very, very much. Thank you so much.

Awesome. So my last words are then to just remind all of you who are listening or watching to please make sure you check the show notes. Because we will be adding Jesseca's links over there so you can connect with her and continue to learn and get the help and support that you need whenever you're ready for it. So until we connect next time, I wish you lots and lots of peace and joy.

Thank you so much.

Bye.